Russ of the BML
1:48 Mon Jun 26
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Willtell 11:26 Mon Jun 26
Seems like suicide if you ask me. Crazy.
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Moncurs Putting Iron
11:57 Mon Jun 26
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Agree MH,
He's done a follow up in the last 9 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaPbAxVBVaQ
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Matthew Holmes
11:28 Mon Jun 26
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good video that roltrader - ta
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Willtell
11:26 Mon Jun 26
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The sub's construction will come under increasing scrutiny because experts are now saying that it was flawed ideas.
Apparently the 5" thick carbon fibre hull should not have been used as it gives no warning of failure and just shatters when it reaches it's maximum pressure limit..
The titanium end walls were "glued" into place and a glass hatch bolted down so needed 18 nuts removing to free anyone inside. Any internal problems with air supply or a fire and there's no way out of there.
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cholo
11:15 Mon Jun 26
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Apparently the sub had sensors and an alarm if the hull had taken damage or was about to fail, so it's possible they had time to shit themselves before implosion. You've got to hope that's not the case and it was quick and without fear.
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Lee Trundle
10:58 Mon Jun 26
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Yeah, I wish them luck with that, Sven.
Taken from the BBC:
When a submarine hull collapses, it moves inward at about 1,500mph (2,414km/h) - that's 2,200ft (671m) per second, says Dave Corley, a former US nuclear submarine officer.
The time required for complete collapse is about one millisecond, or one thousandth of a second.
A human brain responds instinctually to a stimulus at about 25 milliseconds, Mr Corley says. Human rational response - from sensing to acting - is believed to be at best 150 milliseconds.
The air inside a sub has a fairly high concentration of hydrocarbon vapours.
When the hull collapses, the air auto-ignites and an explosion follows the initial rapid implosion, Mr Corley says.
Human bodies incinerate and are turned to ash and dust instantly.
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The Ghost of Sven
1:29 Sun Jun 25
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Recovering the bodies?
Bring a hoover and a straw
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cygnet
1:21 Sun Jun 25
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re Mike:
I think you'l find "We all died in a useless submarine, useless submarine, useless submarine" fits the melody better.
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Willtell
10:15 Sun Jun 25
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roltrader 1:26 Fri Jun 23
Thanks for that reference to a very professional video explanation of what probably went wrong made before it was fully known about he deaths.
absolutely spot on I'll bet. Hull crushed and all died instantly because the material it was made from doesn't fracture or weaken. It just shatters....
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gph
2:16 Sun Jun 25
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Got to be number one on the list of reasons why I'm glad my Dad isn't a billionaire...
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COOL HAND LUKE
12:41 Sun Jun 25
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The reality of dying down there under such ferocious pressure hardly bears thinking about. The occupants would be human.mush in less time that it would take the brain to register anything was happening. And we have folks talking about 'recovering the bodies'... Jesus wept.. RIP.
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Mike Oxsaw
8:02 Fri Jun 23
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We all died in a useless submarine,
We all died in a useless submarine,
We all died in a useless submarine,
We all died in a useless submarine,
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southbankbornnbred
7:30 Fri Jun 23
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Lowlife,
Haha! That sort of Twitter insight is EXACTLY what I was referring to. Christ almighty: even an eight-year-old knows you can't just swim to safety!
Twitter is hilariously full of bell ends. May it never stop, though. Laughing at, and winding up, the loons on there is one of my favourite past-times!
The number of Gooners having a merry fit over the Declan Rice "transfer" is equally batshit.
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cholo
7:29 Fri Jun 23
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Southbank
You're right.
But what I "like" about this story, if anything, is that is goes against the internet trend of trusting and believing in utter cranks, over the actual qualified experts, because they (experts) are seen as authority figures not to be trusted. I think there's a good lesson to be learned from the whole tragic affair.
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lowlife
6:49 Fri Jun 23
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Southbank - agree with that. Having never heard of Stockton Rush until Sunday, I quickly came to a judgement on him that he was an absolute bell end. I’m no expert on deep sea diving, but would like to think I’m not so stupid that I couldn’t see an issue with using carbon fibre.
I did have a chuckle when somebody on Twitter said that if they had designed the sub they would have made it so they could undo it from the inside, and then they could just swim to the surface. Fucking hell.
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Mike Oxsaw
5:51 Fri Jun 23
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"Feel for the kid, no responsible father would let their child travel on that thing"...
That's interesting. Back in the late '60s,my father was working on the design of the engines for Concorde and I used to travel down to Filton with him during the school holidays.
I was an avid train spotter at the time and hoped I'd get the chance to do some serious out-of-area spotting - never happened.
What did happen though was that as a young teenager learning French I struck up a friendship (ooh-er missus) with a lot of the French technicians & engineers there; improved my French way beyond the school lessons & text books and, fortuitously, proved a boon for the career I chose 3 or 4 years later.
Two "peak" events stick in my memory - the first was that I was given the honour of pressing the button to "fire up" one of the engines under development and, fuck me, despite the ear defenders, FUCKING LOUD don't come close.
The second was that I befriended Brian Trubshaw (another ooh-er if you like) and for some reason and pulling a lot of strings, got me a seat on the inaugural flight of 002.
My father vetoed it immediately. I was deeply disappointed at first, seeing as the flight went without a hitch, but grew, over time, to understand why my dad did what he did.
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southbankbornnbred
3:48 Fri Jun 23
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Not having a pop at anybody on here - but just generally across social media etc.
I love how everybody, within the space of 72 hours, decided they had had enough knowledge from reading a few tweets and probably the Daily Mail coverage to confidently decide they are now a sub-mariner, expert marine engineer and ocean geographer in quick time.
Some of the people having a merry fit on Twitter are proper batshit, masquerading as an expert. But I guess we knew that anyway.
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Fifth Column
3:40 Fri Jun 23
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LeroysBoots
I seem to remember reading that they sort of avoided most licencing requirements by using the vessel solely in international waters rather than anyone's own territorial waters - or something along those lines.
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roltrader
1:26 Fri Jun 23
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dka29FSZac
Good summary and analysis from a subject expert.
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madeeasy
1:24 Fri Jun 23
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"Alive one millisecond, dead the next". says a former Royal Navy doctor.
I haven't studied medicine before, but from my vague knowledge, I think this is what happens when everyone dies.
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cholo
1:10 Fri Jun 23
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lowlife
I saw an interview yesterday with an English bloke who'd already paid a deposit for this very trip, he said he pulled out after doing a bit of research and reading the companies own safety record. Probably cost him a few bob but saved his own life with basic common sense.
Also heard a story about the Pakistani businessman's lawyer pulling out for "urgent business reasons" and that's when he persuaded his reluctant son to get on board with him. Not sure how much of that is true though?
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